TETSU: RTTU S2E41 with special guests Leslie and Steven Shaw

Join Michael Kopf as he sits down and chats with Leslie and Steven Shaw.

Leslie and Stephen Shaw were both born and raised in Southern California.

They have been studying the UFO phenomenon for decades.

They are both UFO witnesses and Stephen’s very psychic family were victims of the alien abduction phenomenon for at least four generations.

Leslie was a journalist for 18 years and is now semi-tired.

She still works for the newspaper doing copy editing and page layout.

She is a professional artist with a BFA in animation from Cal Arts and she minored in ancient art history.

Stephen has a master’s in oriental medicine and is a retired acupuncturist and Tai Chi and Qi Gong instructor.

He is also an orchestral musician.

Before medical school he was a cabinet maker and served six years in the Navy as a SeaBee; the construction battalion.

Since publishing on Halloween of 2022, they have toured California giving readings, lectures and being vendors at events.

They’ve appeared on over 60 podcasts and radio programs. They were presenters at the Area 29 Galactic Gathering and 29 Palms Book Festival and will be giving another presentation at the fall 29 Palms Book Festival in November.

The available lectures include, “The Link Between UFOs and The Great Flood,” and “UFOs Are Real, Our Own Government Confirms It.” They have also participated in panels as UFO experts.

The blurb on the back of our book… UFOs.

Millions of witnesses have seen them, thousands have been taken by them and hundreds of books describe them, but here for the first time there is a book that delves into the hardest questions concerning them.

WHO are flying them, WHERE are they coming from and the all important whys; WHY are they here, WHY are they seen so often, WHY are they preying on our people and our livestock and WHY is our government in league with them?

This book addresses these questions and explores the motivation for their agenda and their bizarre breeding program.